Reader note: This is a major rewrite of an article first published in 2018.
Question: Do you know someone who MIGHT have to consider a nursing home placement and a Medicaid application within the next 5 years?
Next Question: Is that person able to swing the $11,000 monthly bill?
If you answered “Yes” and “No” please do yourself a favor and read on.
I won’t waste your time going back over the Medicaid application issue because I have written about it elsewhere. You can read that here.
What I want to do here is emphasize a couple of extremely important matters and give you a few pointers.
The Medicaid Transfer Penalty
Every other client meeting I have includes someone asking about “that five year look back rule.” What they are asking about is the general Medicaid nursing home rule that “sanctions” certain asset transfers. DSS “looks back” five years and adds up all free gift-type transfers. They then divide by $7,110 (which is supposed to be the average per bed Medicaid reimbursement rate in North Carolina, but that number is somewhat dated) to calculate the sanction.
If Grandma transferred $71,100 to Francine four years ago and applies for Medicaid this month there could be a 10-month sanction, which will be the amount of time Medicaid will refuse to pay the nursing home. No, they don’t take the money back; they simply will not pay the nursing home. It’s your problem.
There are a few exceptions: Transfers between spouses, transfers to a disabled child, modest and recurring donations (think of church), or other transfers made with absolutely no thought of qualifying for Medicaid (good luck, the burden of proving that is on you).
The transfer rule can bite in other unexpected ways. Read on.
Madeleine and Sneaky Medicaid Transfers
Madeline asked for our help qualifying her mother (Agnes) for Medicaid after Agnes’s admission to the nursing home. We pursued a number of strategies and got her mother currently qualified for Medicaid. The problems came up after the application had been submitted.
As part of the application, we stated that no sanctionable transfers had been made by Agnes within the past five years (after Madeleine assured us that was the case).
A few days after the submission we received notice that DSS wanted to see FIVE years of bank statements. Madeleine wasn’t happy, but we had warned her.
Ten days later we submitted the six inch high stack of statements.
Three days later DSS notified us that we needed to explain a series of withdrawals over the years. Nearly every month the bank statement showed withdrawals of $200 to $500 “CASH.” They totaled around $20,000.
I asked Madeleine what they were. She said, “Why, they were to me. I reimbursed myself for mileage and other expenses like groceries I bought for Mom. Is that a problem? They weren’t gifts.”
My answer? “Madeleine, it’s a problem if we can’t begin to substantiate what they reimbursed you for. Did you keep detailed records?”
Her response was something like “not-really-but-sorta.” We were looking at close to a 3-month transfer of assets penalty. What that means is Medicaid will not pay the nursing home for three months once they have determined that Agnes is otherwise qualified for Medicaid (but for the transfers).
Fortunately, after much painstaking work and records reconstruction and affidavits we were able to lower the penalty to less than a month.
But it wasn’t easy.
What could have been done
There really isn’t a clear-cut answer other than: Be careful.
Here is what I suggest, depending upon your level of paranoia, dedication, and attention to detail.
· Consider a simple “Reimbursement Agreement” in which Mom agrees to reimburse you for documented out-of-pocket expenses. Shortly after the end of every month, give her a statement with copies of receipts attached. Have her write YOU a check for that exact amount. PLEASE file the statement in your “Reimbursement Folder.” OK, you might think, the “Reimbursement Agreement” is a bit over-the-top. While I don’t think so, at least implement the system of “statements with receipts attached.”
· Give the bank a copy of Mom’s power of attorney and ask that you be an authorized signer on her account. Then pay for Mom’s expenses with her account – and PLEASE do not write checks to “CASH.”
Pamela and Personal Care for Dad
When Pamela came in to see me about “finally” having to put Dad in the nursing home she explained that Dad had been frail for years and up until 6 months ago he needed help around the house with basic chores, shopping, cooking, and the like. Six months ago, Dad took a turn for the worse and his physician said at that time that he probably belonged in a nursing home. But until now, Pamela couldn’t bring herself to do it.
Pamela also told me she’d been paying herself about $2,200 a month the past 6 months or so for taking care of Dad a good bit of the day (not unreasonable since she quit her job). She’d also been paying “some other ladies cash under the table” (the IRS might take issue with that).
Problems? You bet! In fact, would I actually be writing about this if it wasn’t a problem?
Federal law (which NC is obligated to follow) simply requires that payments made for services rendered must be a fair market exchange. Period.
The NC Adult Medicaid Manual, however, attempts to pose stricter standards. In order for payment for “personal care services” to be a nonsanctionable transfer, the payments must be:
· Pursuant to a written contract.
· Must pertain to future services only (in other words you can’t go back and “paper up” a transaction after the fact).
· Pursuant to a physician’s written statement that says the services are “necessary to prevent entry . . . to a nursing facility or intermediate care facility for the mentally retarded.”
Most knowledgeable elder law attorneys take the position that this, if literally applied, would sanction payments made to a home health agency or non-related home health worker providing services needed to keep the applicant safe, or entertained, or whatever. If this was the case, I believe the NC Association of Home & Hospice Care would be outside the Department of Health & Human Services building in Raleigh with pitchforks and torches.
I think this is overzealous manual writing from several years ago that wasn’t carefully thought through.
The concept is this: Dad could spend thousands of dollars buying a case of mink-lined wading boots if that is what “floats his boat.”
That being said, the next section of the manual says that any transfer to a family member for services that were provided for free in the past, must be pursuant to a written agreement entered into on or before the services were rendered.
Theoretically, Medicaid could sanction Granddad for paying his grandson to mow his yard. I think that is nonsense, but it certainly could be applied to a daughter providing personal care services.
My Bottom Line: Even if a homecare provider is non-related, get a written agreement before the services are rendered, and then honor it. Do this especially if the provider is a relative. I would also do whatever I could to have a physician paper it up with an order before the services are rendered. After all, a physician wants to help, and one could argue that services meant to keep Mom from falling are “necessary to prevent the entry” into a nursing home.
Finally, not that Medicaid cares, but the IRS certainly does. If you’re paying someone “under the table” STOP IT. There are all sort of inexpensive payroll services out there.
Back to Pamela. Can I help her? It is going to be tough. We might be able to get “the other ladies” covered, but I don’t believe we’ll have any luck with her. A descriptive photo appears to the right. Fill in the blank: “Pamela is ____________.”
The Takeaway
This is frightfully confusing stuff. Penalties can be horrific (multiply $11,000 by the number of months messed up). In many cases you can avoid later penalties, but it must be structured correctly under the tutelage of someone who knows what they’re doing.
Yes, you might have to pay some attorney fees, but in the long run that could be the best “bang for the buck” – certainly better than DIY (which can, in the end, be very expensive).
Alton E Pierce says
Great Information. You do an outstanding job.
Ruth Eanes says
Thanks for this good information. It does make me wonder about my writing checks for cash for my own spending needs throughout each month. I am not anticipating any nursing home entry (hopefully), as I am currently in very good health. (But I will soon be age 79.) Should I maybe make my periodical $100 withdrawal checks made payable directly to myself?f Thank you if you could answer this for me.
bob mason says
Couldn’t hurt.
Warren Coble says
Excellent article/great advice, Bob. Good job! Also, entertaining the way you have it written. If folks only knew what pitfalls are out there!
Lois Rice says
Thanks for this information. It is so complicated. Keep up the good work!
Jennell says
If an immediate annuity is purchased to supplement income and then later the person needs nursing home care (hope not) then would the immediate annuity be considered a penalty transfer
Jennell says
Still wondering regarding the above question
Amy says
Thank you for this information. Timely and valuable as both of our mother’s are being cared for at home by a variety of folks and being of the older generation, they deal in cash. I’ve told everyone over and over to keep receipts. Hopefully this will light a fire under them.
Jennell says
We have a situation where a lady has to be placed in long term care and wonder can the 3 children each pay at least 1% of tax value to save her land, not her home but her farm from being counted as assets in order for her to qualify for nursing home care? Is that still an allowable option?
bob mason says
It depends what state you are in. If you are in NC, then yes, the land will not be countable. However, unless it is handled correctly, the land could still be subject to estate recovery at her death.
Jennell says
When you say if the 1% purchase is not handled right the property could be subject to estate recovery. If it is purchased as joint tenants with the mother would the property not then at the mothers death be automatically transferred to the joint owner and thus escape Medicaid estate recovery? They live in North Carolina
Jennell says
Thank you so much, I will be in touch with them and hope that maybe they will contact you in order to guide them through this process.
Jennell says
When you say if the 1% purchase is not handled right the property could be subject to estate recovery. If it is purchased as joint tenants with the mother would the property not then at the mothers death be automatically transferred to the joint owner and thus escape Medicaid estate recovery? They live in North Carolina
bob mason says
That is currently the result in North Carolina. Of course, that is always subject to legislative change.
Pat says
My mother has a whole life insurance policy in the amount of $20,000. It was issued 4/2/15. It is growing in cash value. It was purchased to cover her burial. This is the only item that will interfere with Medicaid eligibility. I have a power of attorney for her. This power of attorney my mother had done in 2010 includes gifts to the named Attorney-in-Fact. Is changing ownership going to cause legal issues? The life insurance company does allow a change in ownership. Can she continue to make premium payments on the life insurance or should I take those over if I change the ownership to me? Your help is greatly appreciated.
bob mason says
If you transfer the policy to yourself, the cash value of the policy will be considered a sanctionable Medicaid transfer.
Jeff Conyers says
Long story short…..My Dad, had Dimentia…..I met with an Attorney in 2005….he told me he could save my Dad $150,000 of his $300,000 savings…..I thought, “I can do this on my own.”…….. $300,000 later, I realized I was not as “smart” as I thought I was.
Sharon says
Thank you for all you do, Bob and staff. You are a breath of fresh air in this maze of Elder Law, Medicaid, Trust Agreements, Nursing Homes and the list goes on.
Sharon Law
bob mason says
Why, thank you!
Richard Evans says
Bob, If “Grandma” makes a payment to a funeral home for a final arrangements plan within the 5 year Medicare look back period, would that be a sanctionable payment or allowed?
Love your column!
bob mason says
Thank you! Allowed. Not sanctionable.
Wyatt Thompson says
Thank you for this very informative article. Your insight and knowledge is so valuable to those of us who are/have been navigating the best path for aging parents to secure a pleasant golden years experience without the burden of financial worries for the parents or the children. I highly recommend you to everyone !!!
Thanks again
Wyatt
bob mason says
Thank you!
Susie says
Hi Bob! Thanks for providing a little humor in these otherwise tedious subjects!
I am 58 and recently disabled by multiple rare diseases. I worked hard my entire life, but unfortunately, medical costs have already consumed all I saved, and I’m dependent upon my SSDI, medicare, and medicaid.
If a dear friend wishes to leaves funds for my extra care and comfort after she’s gone, how could that be done to protect my state medical coverage? Could a trust be built, with Trustee of another trusted friend to disperse? (that’s a lot of trust!)
I’m in Ohio. Love your column!! 🙂
Susie
bob mason says
Absolutely. Your generous friend should set up a third party special needs trust for you. Either while alive or within the terms of her will. You can read up on them here: https://masonlawpc.com/what-is-a-special-needs-trust/
Diane Richardson says
Wow. Awesome stuff here! My mother is in GA. My brother handles her Truist acct. 80% checks he writes are for cash with a memo, then either endorsed by himself or by the furn store where he works and handles cash drawer. Some are for caregivers (pay cash), some for himself as a caregiver (cash) and her phone (check for cash), yard work, etc. But all written to cash. Now she’s out of money, in nursing home,so will these 5 years of checks for cash cause big headache?
bob mason says
The application may be a pain, but he should be OK if he documented, documented, documented. He’ll have some ‘splaining to do, though.